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<p>I think what happened( and this is just a theory) is that Purgatory stops the aging process. Jeremy, trapped on earth, still ages, but at a regressed rate. Any thoughts? </p>

<p>I think that works perfectly. We, of course, we have to regulate fan-art and make sure it isn't on any pages currently. Can you think of anything we may have missed i.e. loopholes or critcal details? </p>

<div class="quote"><i>The 5th Horseman wrote:
Ah well if that does happen, Crane will most likely free Abbie as it seems a lot easier to dig yourself out of the ground than to escape Purgatory.</i></div>
<p>True dat. But to get back pn topic, do you think that there could be any other options besides Luke and Andy to become the horseman? </p>

<div class="quote"><i>The 5th Horseman wrote:
<div class="quote">Horseman of Conquest wrote:
But, one of them escapes, frees the other, and started the battle again. </i></div>
I'm not quite sure what you meant by this but I think it's not physical requirements but psychological should there be any as he needs a way to control them while also giving them the satisfaction and revenge they crave. Thoughts? </div> <p>What i meant by this was that ethier Abbie or Crane escape from their prisons and free the other to start the war against Moloch. That praticular had to do with the ending to the finale, not who would be the next horseman.  </p>

<p>Following up on your note on the scene from Necromancer, it would certianly explain why Moloch stopped Abraham from exacting his revenge. In addition, i also think that Moloch needs something more to break the next potential "host". I think that i've got it. With Abbie and Crane out of the way, Moloch thinks that he is safe to continue with the resurrection of the Famine and myself(Conquest). He could have trapped Abbie as a prize for ethier Andy or Luke, much like Katrina was a prize for Abraham. But, one of them escapes, frees the other, and started the battle again. He put them away becuase he already has two men for the Miakuru type analogy. Thoughts? </p>

<p>Sorry it has taken so long for me to reply, i have been relatively Wifi free for a good deal of time and needed to catch up on alot. It doesn't nessacarily mean that they have no free will. Moloch has intervened when Abraham has gone out of line, remember? Andy was made by Moloch to secure Death in that scene in Necromancer. Andy said "No! You Can't! The master forbids it!" right before Abraham put Ichabod down for good. I was trying insuiate that taking on the body of a horseman is like taking The Miracle(I can't spell the proper name) in the show Arrow. It is a power, but doesn't totally control you. You become a vessel, yet still have control over your body. Also, i think that they (death and war) could be scantified, but it is an unlikely probability. Thoughts? </p><p>P.S.: Fox really needs to read this Wiki, or hire you to come up with plotlines. </p>

<p>I think you pretty much laid out what the foundation must be if Andy were to become Famine, and i totally agree there. But the real mystery to me is Conquest. It could be possible that the human incaration of Conquest died in the past, that could leave open alot of options as to who Moloch will take. It was clear that Luke was tramatuized, but I can't see him being so tramatuized that Moloch could easily break him. And, that would mean that someone bore witness before Ichabod and Abbie, so that's another hole in the possiblity of a new human form. But a though just occured to me. What if I (Conquest) never acutally had a human form, but was instead still a spirit, waiting  for a proper human host. What do you think? </p>

<div class="quote"><i>The 5th Horseman wrote:
<div class="quote">Horseman of Conquest wrote:
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The horsemen haven't been made yet most lickly and i think it would be a good story to have someone Abby is close to become a horsemen</i></div>
You know, its possible just maybe that Andy will become a Horseman. If so, he would be Famine as Conquest was already introduced to exist during Roanoke (unless time travel is involved which I really hope the writers don't fall into as most shows and movies, notice I said most not necessarily all of them, do a terrible and/or ridiculously confusing way of time travel). I can't believe this didn't click until just now. I know hes a demon and all that now but Moloch might force him to become Famine later on maybe after an accident that would require him to wear a cloak to hide his messed-up body. Or maybe somehow Luke becomes so disillusioned and feels betrayed by Abbie that Moloch manipulates him to become a Horseman. But then again this is merely speculation and I could be wrong but its just a few thoughts. Personally though, I hope the writers are looking at this wiki. It's a great way to get ideas and opinions from fans directly so as to appeal to more people. If so, please, please show more Corbin and Andy. They are really good characters for driving the story.</div>You know, I think that the most likely option is for Andy to become Famine, as you said, and i know how the writer could do it. I didnt realize until right now, but Moloch was harmed by Abbie when she went into purgatory. Moloch seems like the vengful type, so he forces Andy into becoming Famie, playing off the fact that Andy seems more power hungry now. He offers him the greatest power of all, to be a Horseman Of The Apocalypse. He would probably need the cloak considering his head is all messed up and the entire tomb came crashing on him. It's a great idea, and I really want the writers to see this. </div>The only thing is, Andy isn't power hungry. He cares for Abbie but what I think is that Moloch will somehow convince Andy that by becoming Famine, he will somehow keep Abbie safe, similar to Abraham and Katrina. Or, since Moloch basically owns Andy's soul, Andy will be forced to become Famine. Also, Moloch doesn't really give off the vengeful type for me. I think he has a plan in motion in which all will suffer so he has no need for revenge as it would possibly put his plan in great jeopardy as seen with other villains throughout television and film history. To me it seems Moloch would be smart enough to know not to jeopardize everything by wanting simple revenge.</div> <p>That's a really good point. But remember when Andy was begging for Moloch to make him his servant? This came after he felt that he was weak. And I don't know about you, but i'm pretty sure that if someone attacked me in MY realm and sucessfuly harmed me, and torturing them would fall in line with the destruction of the earth, i would definetely exact my revenge. On the other hand, I do see your point. Andy wasn't really Andy when he was in his demonic state. Once Jeremy snapped him out of this, he told them to destory the map and he wanted Abbie to kill him so Moloch could use him against her.  Everything he has done has been to protect Abbie, and he clear has feelings for her. So, it really could be any of the ideas, or some weird combo of the three. Moloch forces Andy to become Famine, but makes him think he wanted this, using his possible desire to be competent and his clear love for Abbie. Thoughts? </p><p>P.S. I'm opening a new thread besed off this idea. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>The 5th Horseman wrote:
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The horsemen haven't been made yet most lickly and i think it would be a good story to have someone Abby is close to become a horsemen</i></div>
You know, its possible just maybe that Andy will become a Horseman. If so, he would be Famine as Conquest was already introduced to exist during Roanoke (unless time travel is involved which I really hope the writers don't fall into as most shows and movies, notice I said most not necessarily all of them, do a terrible and/or ridiculously confusing way of time travel). I can't believe this didn't click until just now. I know hes a demon and all that now but Moloch might force him to become Famine later on maybe after an accident that would require him to wear a cloak to hide his messed-up body. Or maybe somehow Luke becomes so disillusioned and feels betrayed by Abbie that Moloch manipulates him to become a Horseman. But then again this is merely speculation and I could be wrong but its just a few thoughts. Personally though, I hope the writers are looking at this wiki. It's a great way to get ideas and opinions from fans directly so as to appeal to more people. If so, please, please show more Corbin and Andy. They are really good characters for driving the story. </div> <p>You know, I think that the most likely option is for Andy to become Famine, as you said, and i know how the writer could do it. I didnt realize until right now, but Moloch was harmed by Abbie when she went into purgatory. Moloch seems like the vengful type, so he forces Andy into becoming Famie, playing off the fact that Andy seems more power hungry now. He offers him the greatest power of all, to be a Horseman Of The Apocalypse. He would probably need the cloak considering his head is all messed up and the entire tomb came crashing on him. It's a great idea, and I really want the writers to see this.  </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Harbinger3781 wrote:
<div class="quote">Horseman of Conquest wrote:
That would be a sick story, but I don't think that it'll happen. The easiest to turn would probably be Death, and he made his posistion very clear by tying to kill Ichabod four or five times. The horseman are downright evil, but there still might be some good left in Abraham.</i></div>
So it would be Abraham, Jeremy vs Famish and Weapon (right?) and their mentor, Moloch... I don't like the odds. </div> <p>Odds are not good at all. Assuming Ichabod was able to turn Abraham and Jeremy back to the side of good, they would still have to deal with Famine, Conquest, and Moloch, like you said. Plus you need to add demons like Brooks, Ancitif, and Ro'kenhronteys into the equation . Put Katrina, Luke, and Irving on the side of good, and the odds are still way against them. </p>

<p>That would be a sick story, but I don't think that it'll happen. The easiest to turn would probably be Death, and he made his posistion very clear by tying to kill Ichabod four or five times. The horseman are downright evil, but there still might be some good left in Abraham. </p>

<p>May I be the first to say that i was right, hexes cn be lifted. On a less "I called it" note, that was a F*****g good epsiode. Jeremy=Parish=War, and now Death has Katrina, Moloch has Abbie trapped in purgatory, and Jeremy trapped Ichabod in the coffin he was buried in, whaaaat? </p>

<p>What they really should do is have War steal Abbie's soul as Moloch said, and when Ichabod goes to Purgatory(or wherever her soul is being held) to save her, he recives help from Knapp. After this they could out him in as a character who appears to give Ichabod warnings, like Katrina. Fox needs to make this happen. </p>

<p>Jeremy may not even be really dead, b/c hexes can be lifted. </p>

<p>They really should. Knapp was an intriguing character, sadly taken from us in the Pilot. Knapp had four or five lines, but all of them showed devotion, as far as the character goes. I think with the possible coming of War, Knapp's spirit would be an interesting ally for Ichabod and Abbie. </p>